That...... Really sucks to hear. I don't quite get how SE can make FFXIII with a different ammount of man hours... I mean, wouldn't it take the same power if they were generating a same quality game? Suppose it's atleast comforting to know that they thought about it for awhile. Also suppose that if I had FFXII I wouldn't give a damn. HURRY UP ALREADY.

ROI?

I suppose it'd sell a lot more, but FF7 isn't eleven years old. I think it's going on nine this summer... Oh... Well, then again, maybe that ten years by the original Japanese release. God, that game is pretty old, isn't it? I know people that would much rather buy a redone FF7 because of their love of Cloud as opposed to a new FF game(since they hated 8-X2). Suppose that's why they're doing all of these compilation games as opposed to just making new games. They know the FF7 name will sell it regardless of gameplay.

Then again, I'd settle for a prettied up version, kind of like FF Origins/Dawn of Souls. I realize it wouldn't be as easy, but still, would save it from being a 5 year 300 man job. How many people worked on FFX anyways?

"he amount of people working on FFX is significantly less than will be working on FFXIII because FFXIII is for next-gen consoles, which obviously require a heftier budget and more manpower to do the same amount of work."

I know that... I wanted to see some actual numbers though. I know FF7 had like 100 people, and they make 300 sound like a huge number. Granted its 3x as much, but I'm curious to know how many FFX had to see how the bridge between the two (FF7 and FFXIII) is. Also, after reading the article in EGM, they make note the biggest problem isn't the manpower or fanbase, but the fact that the key people that would have to be involved are currently tied up. Sucks, maybe for 15th anniversary we'll see FF7 remade.

eh, the interview doesn't list man power as an issue, they just list what's needed and it's not priority enough to break from their plans already in motion (probably FFXII). Nomura - "But I have so many projects already in the pipeline that it would be difficult to squeeze it in...perhaps if the timing is just right, though. It's a very interesting prospect..."

Dunno, I think it's more of a they had stuff setup before they got such an enormous response for their tech demo and realized fans would die for it. Say what you will, but I honestly don't think 300 people would be any worse off than any other FF title to date in terms of manpower.

Uh, actually Rahul, a remake of FF7 would by far and away outsell a new FF title. The outpouring of fan support since the release of the tech demo has been more tremendous than Square could have possibly anticipated. And given all of the FF7-related products slated for release, Square is well aware that FF7 is, and will always be, their best selling title. So, in conclusion, not only would a remake of the best game of all time be amazing, but it is without question in Square's financial interests as well. FF7 on the PS3 would likely be the best selling release of all time, especially given all the hype around FF7 as of late. Sorry, but no one in their right mind can agree that FFXIII would outsell the God-like status of FF7.

A Final Fantasy 7 remake does sound promising, but 5 years?! Well, updated 3D models, maps, special effects and higher-resolution cutscenes would be nice. Heh! Maybe in 5 more years, Nintendo and SquareEnix will work together well enough for the re-release of FF7 on the next Nintendo console! The one after the so-called "Revolution."

By far, FF7 is surely one of the best RPG's ever made, next to Chrono Trigger and the Legend of Zelda.

There's a cracked idea! Let's see a remake of the first Legend of Zelda game in 3D! It may ONLY take 10 years!

Lol, the notion that yet another generic title trying to capitalize off of FF7's model of success would outsell it, is purely comical, Rahul. And Nephtis, if I take your word at the fact that you are indeed a true FF7 fan (which I'm seriously inclined to doubt), then you are in the minority if you are disappointed at the potential of a sequel. The vast majority of FF7 fans would kill to see a remake. So, if we're talking sheer numbers here, the fact remains that more people would want to see a remake than not. So, while your opinion is noted, I'll subsequently disregard it in light of the astronomically larger portion of fans that would kill for a remake.

Whatever happen to leaving the past as it is??? I mean, they've already cannabalized the game for three game sequels and a movie...a remake seems a little much.

Remake the less classic games, please. It's like movies- They remake The Longest Yard, not Citizen Kane.

dude, Jenova, you have to learn to think outside the fucking box.
Youre bascially saying that no Final Fantasy will ever surpass or outsell VII. What the fuck? Listen to yourself! Are you saying its the perfect game? Are you dumb?
Problems with VII:
WORSE FF MUSIC EVER
bad replayability
Cait Sith
leveling up materia is a chore

Final Fantasy VII has the abilty or potential to be better than VII, you dont know it, I dont know it, Jesus doesnt know it. XIII also can be better, why replay something you already know? Are you really that much of a graphics whore? You speak in absolutes, which gives me the notion that you dont really have ANY numbers at your disposal, you probably came to that conclusion because the people around you think that way.. its kinda like how everyone thought George Bush was going to win the elections because the media was against him.. but that does not really represent what most people want.
My point is, if you remake Final Fantasy VII then POTENTIALLY all the people who enjoyed FINAL FANTASY VII will buy it. You make a NEW Final Fantasy, then POTENTIALLY all the people who enjoyed ANY Final Fantasy will buy it. That, is no fabrication, that is the common sense that you seem to be ignoring at the moment

TRS I have to commend you for being able to use your keyboard's caps lock key so effectively. For those of you who have played FFXI, you'll have a clear understanding of the following...

>> TRS: {Hello!} {English} {Can I have it?}

It is my opinion that Rahul is absolutely right in his assumptions. A remake of Final Fantasy VII would be an inevitably poor decision on SE's part when they could make millions more on a new flagship release or a barrage of mediocre titles related to silly television shows and various compilations. Read the figures - Rahul is correct, Final Fantasy VII will not be re-released on this dimensional plane. The mirror world, however...

Yeah well you know, congrats on taking the extra 5 minutes to be a dick  . Whats your point? That my English is bad? Sory, ill go cry now if you want

"Read the figures - Rahul is correct, Final Fantasy VII will not be re-released on this dimensional plane."

EGM tends to disagree. As do I. There is a huge interest in a remake. Yes, it will be different. If you don't like it, just play the old title. It's not like they're deleting it to make the new one as Star Wars did with the Special Editions(which actually are better). Graphics whore...? Not really. If there was a love story between jars of peanut butter, jelly, and mustard, it'd be a lot emotional if there were humans playing the roles. I feel the same way about games. The more I can relate to the characters(as many racism issues have been noted, blacks identify more with black lead roles, women with realistic women roles), the more I'd enjoy it. Yes, more realistic characters would draw more of an emotional response from me. FF8 and FF9 proved that. FF8 I felt they were real people, FF9 they were just characters from some storybook.

Also, you're wrong about one huge thing. You keep refering to it like only FF7 fans would play it. The biggest reason for this being released I think would be reaching a new audience. While you may be able to look through the graphics flaws(like the fact that they don't have hands, their arms are massively misproportioned, and their head makes up halve of their height), new gamers can't go back and play through it. I've met at least 5 people over the past year or so that never played FF7, and can't get into it when I tell them it's one of the greatest RPGs ever and to give it a chance. You know, if they did make it, you'd have to check it out. I think that's part of the reason why you don't want them to make a new one. You don't want to admit to being a graphics whore, or that you wet yourself when you saw the E3 Tech Demo for it. You know you craved it when you saw it, then realized you'd be far from a purist if you let there be any change to the old title. It's just a game you know, a way to make money for SE. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll accept the fact that before the PS4 is released, FF7 will be remade.

If you still don't believe remakes with better visuals sell, look at FF1 sales for NES compared to FF:Dawn of Souls. People ate that shit up. The same would go for FF7 with MASSIVELY updated visuals, voice acting, and a retooled story. Some of the most obvious things in the world to me during the FF7 adventure were as plain as day to me, but you'd be amazed how shrouded in mystery some stuff is to people. Like the whole Calamity from the Sky, I have to explain to people who have played through it three or four times, and they still don't get it. Same for Cloud and why Sephy can control him. Maybe it was lost in translation, I don't know.

LOL! TRS, you must be the stupidest human being alive. Your comments, while amusing, were the most unintelligble crap I've ever seen. Let's see here...

FF7 has the worst music ever? Are you fucking retarded? All FF's have outstanding musical scores.

No replayability? HAHAHAHAHA. It's one of the only games a consistantly replay, as do many others. Wow, I can't believe I even entertained a moronic comment like that.

Cait Sith. Ok, granted, an imbecilic character. But find me one FF game that doesn't have one, I dare you.

And the materia leveling is a chore? Awww, poor baby. You know, you have a big mouth for someone who's such a little bitch. The materia system was the BEST system in any Final Fantasy, bar none.

So yeah, in conclusion, in my opinion FF7 was a perfect game. Many others would disagree, and they are entitled to their opinions, but no one will disagree that it was a great game and was both hugely successful and influential.

Oh, and btw, Rahul, if you ever exit that cloud of egotistical nonsense and look at things for their facts rather than being an angry fanboy who wants to sound rebellious with his opinions against the norm. Stop wasting my time with your worthless retorts.

Also, excellent commentary, Christopher. They seem to get frustrated when we actually use L-O-G-I-C to contest their ignorant comments.

It's funny how the whole remake talk over the past 9 years of Final Fantasy VII and they come out of nowhere with movie for us and are coming out with a game following Vincent. It was people like you who said "face it you'll never get what you want, give it up" and Square shocked us and you people with Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children which I think is cooler then a remake. I am not a person for or against the remake but if they do remake it I'll pick it up. But it's people like you who say it will never happen then bam there it is. More then likely they'll remake due to the huge fanbase it has and I bet if the movie is very successful it will happen in no time without us even knowing. So saying a remake isn't worth their time or money think about the FF1-3 games being remade they were successful I don't see why the FFVII won't be successful. Only time will tell, thats just my two cents. I'll wait five years for a remake shit people have been waiting nine years what's another five?  

I'm not really sure that Rahul being an asshole, or "egotistical" as you put it. I probably am, but that's because it's in my nature to correct people who are pitifully wrong. Rahul's just reflecting the opinions of (though I very much doubt he is one) a Japanese business tycoon. When it's all broken down this entire debocle isn't about fandom or popularity, it's about how Mr. Kitase can make more yen. More income will arrive from a new video game than a refurbished old one. Take the sales of Enix's recent endeavors: Dragon Quest VIII and the re-releasing of Dragon Quest V, a very popular and loved title. Shall we compare the sales???

Dragon Quest V (Re-released): 1,611,974 units sold in 2004

Dragon Quest VIII (New Release): 3,327,167 units sold in 2004

Both titles were released around the same time and both - financially speaking - were goldmines for Square Enix. One can assume that similar results would follow from a re-release of our beloved FFVII when compared to the PS3 release of another juggernaut RPG of Square's in 2009-2010. Oh, and if for some reason you don't trust my numbers, here's the link...

http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-BestSell2004.shtml

>> edit: ... TRS, you're absolutely welcome.

"Final Fantasy VII did not allow much difference between the fighting styles of characters, since all could effectively possess any magic."

Actually, that fits into the game's story. Materia is just condensed life stream that contains knowledge shared from the lifestream. So the characters never learn or possess magic per se, they just hold an artifact that does. Eitherway, it turns out into a balancing beam since the stronger materia dwarfs your physical abilities.(the act of dwarfing, not multiples dwarves)

"Let the game rest, let it remain how it was. "
It will remain how it was... The original copy won't be destroyed, ya know. There will just be a new(drastically different) version of the game available for folks who are new to the series. Your old copy will still play fine, untouched by the original sculptor.

And for the Dragon Quest line... Was an updated game(like FF:Dawn of Souls), or was it remade from the ground up as FF7 on PS3 would be? Because slightly improved graphics are a lot different from rebuilding the game, and it can't really be compared.

A) Dragon Quest should never be mentioned in the same sentence as a game like FF7. That comparison lends absolutely no credibility to your claim. It's impossible to draw a correlation between the sales of one title to another. That and FF7 was a much better game.
B) Let it be known, I'm as much of a traditionalist as many of you are. If they were to remake FF7 and try to do anything at all in the ways of changing or "fixing" the plot, I'd be furious. Furthermore, while a graphical overhaul would certainly be nice, graphics are the very last thing on the list of criteria in judging a game's worth. Although that's not to say a little window dressing wouldn't hurt either. There are very few things I would approve of adjusting to FF7. Perhaps another weapon for fun, or making the end fight with Seph much more difficult. The point is, a remake would expose a new generation to this wonderful game. I can't tell you how many people I've spoken to who really want to play this game because they hear it is so good, but don't even own a first generation playstation. A remake would revitalize the franchise, expose the next generation of gamers to the game, and simultaneously please pre-existing fans across the world.
C) And lastly, perhaps I should revise my previous statement as the semantics whores are on full alert. While nothing can actually be "perfect", as the mere notion of the word is ambiguous in and of itself, FF7 was the closest game to perfect I have ever encountered.

Dragon Quest V was completely remade from its original form - a full overhaul and upgrade in similar fashion to the way that you kids are pining for Final Fantasy VII to be reconfigured for PlayStation 3.

Also...
Final Fantasy (1990)... one game, no hype, sold decently

Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls (2004)... 2 games (one never released stateside), Final Fantasy hype/fanboys implemented, sold roughly twice as well as the original single title

Furthermore, let's do some editing...

A) ??? Jenova, the original Final Fantasy was almost a carbon copy of Dragon Quest. And yes, I can use them in the same sentence because both are large-scale RPG's with sales in the millions being put out by the same corporation. In fact, in Japan, the sales of either Dragon Quest VII or VIII (take your pick) have outsold any Final Fantasy game to date - that includes your precious Final Fantasy VII, which over there didn't even sell as well as Final Fantasy VIII.

B) In regards to your comments on the stupefying (and at this point still non-existant) remake we've all been bantering about "revitalizing the franchise, expos[ing] the next generation...etc," not only has it already been 8 years since the original game's release therefore making the juvenile gaming public of 2005 (who can happily play the game on their PS2s) the "next generation" anyway, but the Compilation of the game with its 4 or more related titles will accomplish this even further. Again it boils down to money: the company will make more from the Compilation than the sole remake. This isn't difficult to understand, I'm sure. Or is it?

C) Let's dial up my friend Noah Webster for a moment...

{picks up phone}
...Noah?....hey, it's me.....yeah......yeah it is your daughter's birthday next week but about the....yeah?.....yes....okay....you sure?....all right I'll tell them...you too....no YOU'RE the man...crazy kid, okay BYE!...

per-fect adj. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type; without flaw

I don't see how that's ambiguous. But I can't anger myself with your personal opinion of the game no matter how wrong the rest of us think it is; however, you might want to revise/recall your statement as not to sound so...under-informed. Recall that, in argumentation, Facts > Opinion any day of the week.

Now to wait for the angry responses...

Hm.. I can't find the actual article in 1up. I don't mind a remake. It's my favorite game and I wouldn't mind seeing it and playing it on PS3. I think that would be interesting. However, just make it a side thing, not a part of the series.

Jenova:
Why thanks to portray me as amusing, I try, I thank you for being the obvious FF VII fanboy that, obviously, cannot get over his own opinions and.. holy shit! As soon as someone insults your favorite game, then you get all defensive and start getting personal as well.
Here, simple life lesson, just because you believe something, just because you can replay VII like a fucking maniac or just because you probaly jerk off to Sephiroth pictures does NOT mean youre right!
Final Fantasy VII was a very big succes mainly because of its shock value. First game to use FMV's, first Final Fantasy in 3d, frst mayor RPG to hit a mass new generation of players, etc. If a lot of people play it today and dont like its not because of the lame graphics, thats ridiculous (why would anybody play a rpg on the gba then? graphics suck over there) Its because the game just isnt that good. The materia sistem WAS a chore, and I mastered every single fucking thing. The time taken to do it was too long and most rewards werent even that worth it. Hell, getting Knights of The Round is not that hard at all and thats pretty much all it takes to kill Sephiroth.. but of course since its the perfect game that doesnt make sense. Since every FF has a silly character, then its OK to make Cait Sith a lame ass bitch, yeah thats fine.. I mean the game still couldnt get better right? You probably dont care that VII was Uematsu's first non-medieval score, and thats why in his attempt to produce a more industrial sound he failed miserably.. naaah, you probably just take 2 themes that you like out of the game and ignore the rest. Do you like spending the first 7 hours of the game without any choice as to what the fuck you want to do?, shit, Midgar was linear as fuck and other places like the Temple of the Ancients for one, were just poorly designed. Fuck, you probably think the chocobo races kicked ass. Was VII your first Final Fantasy? Most people that have stuck with the franchise from way back will recall IV or VI as their favorites.
Your problem is not thinking the game is awesome, because I agree the game is awesome. What I disagree on, and will always disagree on is that the game is not perfect. Go to SquareSoft and tell them VII was the perfect game and that they will never do better and I assure you they will either laugh at your face, or that Nomura will just punch you in the gut. Thinking that way is just plain dumb, you close yourself to many other experiences by being so close minded and its rather pitiful.

So, sorry to waste your time. Im sure nerds like you have many other things to keep them busy, like dusting off your cock from lack of use but I got shit to do and Im done with this, say what you will.

Lol, bwyuko looked up perfect in the dictionary to counter my statement, rofl! What a loser you are. And TRS, I didn't really even read your lame post because you're a waste of life. FF7 is the best RPG of all time, you all know it...accept it, and move on with your pathetic nerdy lives...

OMG shut the fuck up you stupid ffvii fanboy, I am so sick of you bitchy fanboys everywhere, piss off nobody wants you here. Go finish ffvii for the hundredth time. Maybe all that jacking off to all that Sephiroth hentai has blinded you to the fact that FFVII is not even near the best rpg of all time.

Rahul is right, there is no way a remake would make more money than a new addition to the series because out of all the people who have played FFVII only a quarter will buy it coz they are fucking fanboys. Another quarter will be purists and would not want to buy it and the other half really would not be stuffed wasting their time and money on game which they could have spent on another game that they didn't already know the gameplay and secrets and every single point in the story. OMFG Aeris dies!!! That's would be a huge shock in the remake (sarcasm).

Hopefully they will do a remake though and fuck it up completely which would then lead to the multiple suicides of idiotical fanboys like yourself. Then the world would be a much better place.

"Hopefully they will do a remake though and fuck it up completely which would then lead to the multiple suicides of idiotical fanboys like yourself. Then the world would be a much better place."
Fanboys like him wouldn't notice it was bad, they'd swear up and down it was the shizzle.

Please don't group me with him. I know you haven't, but Jenova is an idiot. I just would love to see a remake of a game that got me deep into RPGs, I don't think of Cloud at night when I'm going to sleep... Well, aside from the past week or three while Advent is getting made coverage.

i think the announcement is more of a reflection on the ps3 then ff7. may be the ps3 isn't as powerful as all the hype and trash talk said it was and the ff7 tech demo although impressive was very hard and intensive to make, to create a game of this calibur on the ps3 would besically be impossible unless u got 300 people and 5 years of production, but even movies like starwars would struggle with numbers like that.

So the ff7 remake 9if it was to ahve gone ahead) would have dissapointed many because if the consumers were expecting the remake to have even half the quality of the tech demo, it would have just been too much work and probably alot of slow down. Which means the ff7 remake if it was to have happened would have taken 2-3 years and look only 1/3 as good as the tech demo - dissapointing many and probably tarneshing the square reputation.

To have enough difference to create a worthy remake we would probably have to wait till the end of the ps3's life when square-Enix have got to grips with ps3 or wait till the ps4, unless people are just contempt playing an ff7 with nothing more then graphics like guild wars on the pc, i think square would think the final fantasy brand deserves more then that.

those of you who want a remake think carefully whether you just want ff7 with updated graphics or something that takes the ff7 game to a whole new level, if you want the second choice i think it would be wise and wait till the technology is properly there and usable to create a great ff7 that is a proper remake and not just ff7 with better graphics.i mean, did you play ff7 back then just because it had great grahics?

Actually a lot of people got into FF7 because it was the best looking RPG at the time(on consoles). Granted, old FF fans played, but a lot of new people came on board because it looked amazing. I played FF2 and FF3 on SNES, but I wasn't really hooked until FF7. Honestly, if it weren't for the commercials with the amazing looking FMVs at the time I wouldn't of really been so hellbent on getting it.(which even to this day bring warm fuzzy feelings to me when I think of those commercials).

I know what you mean, but I honestly think Square Enix wouldn't release an inferior product when they KNOW they're capable of better. The reason it'd take so many people is because all games are growing in production size. With more detailed models, you need more people to do them since people will spend more time on individual models and textures... The world is more detailed, you'd need more complex programming to render all those poly's at once without dropping framerates, etc. It's just all and all harder to do.

Well, this is my last post here. Just really hope that they do release an all out FF7 remake. I do think it won't be til the end of the PS3's life though (like all the FF remakes showing up at the end of PS1's life). We all know after their Enix merger though, they've been doing just about anything that brings in money.

"by making this FILM instead of an RPG remake or sequel is a smart smart company."

That's real fucking cute. Support the company by pirating their film. You don't have an upperhand, you're just a jackass who will probably get slammed like everyone that download Episode 3 when it got leaked online. Just because you watched a movie doesn't nullify the fact that the FF7's graphics are dated, and the above ALL other reason, the script was RAPED when it was translated and brought to America. I'd kill, for if just that one thing, a cleaner translation that wasn't butchered by the hackneys that did FF7.

"I always wanted AT-STs in the background of that shot!"

You mock it with South Park because that's new to you down there, but they ignored the fact that it is HIS movie. I know artists have touched up actual paintings over the course of years before they declared it finished. The same with Star Wars. If you know the history behind it, you know he was stacked with limitation after limitation that kept him from getting the vision he saw. Why shouldn't he be able to go back and perfect it from his standpoint now that he has the technology to do so? Especially without harsh criticism from "fans"? Because you watched one version of it and you refuse to accept the fact that YOUR experience does not outweigh the creators? I saw the original Star Wars, but I was damn happy with the remade editions because it created a much more full atmosphere. It transcended movie and became a reality of it's own, like Lord of the Rings did.

I don't really care how many FF OSTs you have(as I own them too, imported from Japan, not Korea). Call it what you will, you ARE a pirate. They don't care if you have "intentions" of buying it.

As for the FF7 having a raped translation, you obviously have no idea. It's a widely known fact that translation had so many bugs and errors in it. Granted, it was the least tamed, AT THE TIME, but it was still raped. First example that comes to mind is the Cloud in a Dress scenario. When you buy those "vending machine goods" from his competitor, those are supposed to be feminine products for his girlfriend that he's too embarassed to buy... Which is why he asks Aerith to stand off to the side. Hell, one of the main character's NAMES are changed. It doesn't get much worse than that. There are script errors too like when you get the club card to get into Honeybee Manor, there's one part where you say something to Aerith, she says something, then it goes back to you talking and it just repeats what she says. Granted there are no "They set up us the bomb?!?" in it(that I can think of at the moment), but there are TONS of errors or lost in translations. Read up on it, if you don't fear tarnishing this perfected aura that exists around your FF7.

Well thank you, Officer Christopher. It's a weight off my mind that you are against software piracy. Now I feel protected on the internet. Way to take a stand!

By the way, Jenova, you should seriously consider stand-up...I mean, I doubt you're a very funny person or anything (In fact you strike me as annoying), but your "arguements" (which basically boil down to "FF7 OWNZ j00 MOOMMMM!!!") had me holding my sides...

...Or, keep whining about it (and get burned worse).

Yarrgh, it be a good movie... {snarl} ...yarrgh...

So I watch Final Fantasy VII Advent Children today and all I got to say is IT'S ONLY THE BEST FUCKING MOVIE IN THE WORLD!!! HOLY SHIT!!! That movie has some kick fucking ass awesome action and fight sences. Superb graphical detail, the music is astonishing! My mouth is on the fucking ground right now in aw! You cannot put this movie into words! Goddamn thank you Square!

You truly are an idiot, Nephtis. You're asking me to accept ERRORS(not translation issues) that were changed for the appeal of an American audience. The shit I mentioned isn't a fuck up of translation, it's something that was delibrately changed for the English release... That or a complete programming error. The english version was a mess, I don't understand why you can't admit that.

Eitherway, I never said translating was easy, but they have a TEAM of PROFESSIONALS working together with the ORIGINAL CREATORS. I think that warrants a bit more expectation then some fucking net nerd translating anime.

Also, Advent Children is NOT ANIME. You keep refering to it as if it is. It's a CGI FILM of Japanese origin. So what, now everything that is Japanese is anime? Was Spirits Within anime? If so, I sure as hell must of missed THAT bulletien.